The legend of Lilith

[DemonSlayerMau]

Has anyone ever heard about the legend of Lilith? The reason I am making this thread here is because Lilith is the ancester of vampires, witches, and other "horror" themed monsters and creatures in some folklore.
Personally, I would like the story of Lilith better if her "fall" didn't have anything to do with submission in the Bible.
The story goes that Lilith was Adam's first wife prior to Eve, hence why the Bible says "God made them, male and female he created them." But Lilith refused to submit to Adam, and so she left the Garden of Eden. Some stories say she "teamed up" with the devil, others say she became the devils wife, and there's even one that mentions that she was Cain's mystery wife (notice how it doesn't really mention the other children Adam and Eve had...I however just assumed that Cain and Abel's story was highlighted as something of importance being the first murder.)
She supposedly, would become the mother of vampires, witches, demons and other monsters. She was part of hebrew folklore, originally the explanation for the cause of SIDS (Sudden Infant Death Syndrome) and she supposedly would take the life of infants unless they had a special protection by an angel. Then she would spare them.
Personally, I think it's all a load of hooblah and nothing more than a myth. I wonder if some people actually believe in the story of Lilith.
Interestingly enough, Lilith was also mentioned in the Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe as the White Witch's ancester, and the ancester of other humanoids such as Dwarves.
I wouldn't mind the story if it didn't involve the idea that a woman wanted to be equal with Adam but Adam refused. The Bible also didn't say Eve was to submit to Adam until after the fall. So that raises a red flag with me.
Anyway, who likes the story of Lilith. Who believes Lilith's story is true and perhaps why you think it's true?
I'm not advocating any religion here, I'm just wondering what everyone thinks of the Legend of Lilith and her involvement as the ancester of classic monsters like Vampires and Witches (technically witches aren't really monsters...but...according to CS Lewis's The Lion, The Witch and the Wardrobe witches aren't human. I'm aware of the witches in Wicca and Paganism but this has nothing to do with that)

[Pumpkin_Man]

I've heard all of those legends. According to the version of the story that was mroe popular among the ancient Hebrews, Lilith wanted to be "on top" during their 'U Know What" making, and that's why she was driven from the Garden of Eden. Legend also has it that Cane was the original vampire, a punishment for committing the first recorded murder in human History. (he became a wanderer, and a mark was place upon him) The "Mark of Cane" was allways assiciated with murder and vamirism.

Mike

[DemonSlayerMau]

I was actually going to avoid that version of the story. I was aware of the Cain vampire origin as well.
My question is, if Cane was the original vampire...don't you think God would've marked him to protect him not so that people would want to kill him? Because I get that he was the first murderer, but he was afraid people would slay him for what he did. It says Vengence will be upon him sevenfold that kills Cain.
But if Cain was the first vampire, don't you think people would WANT to kill him? Plus Cain took a wife and had children with her. Traditionally, vampires cannot have live children (depending on what vampire folklore you talk about)

[Pumpkin_Man]

DemonSlayer, the vampire thing was just a legend. Like every other civilization, the Hebrews had their own folklore, and vampir folklore is part of every culture. The ancinet Greeks called then the Bockeye. The anciente chinese also had a name for them which I forget, the Romaniens called then "Nosferatu," and the list goes on and on.

My belief is that Cain was the first murderer, and he did, according to the Book of Genisis, take a wife and build a city. But as far as that wife being Lillith, I have no idea. Cain was also given a mark to identify him, and to warn others not to committ murder.

Also, it should be noted. Vampires are DEAD, according to most vampire lor. That's why they can't have kids. Cain was not dead or killed. The Bible says nothing about how Cain died. It only said th at God placed a mark on him and made Cain a wanderer. But again, vampire legends have all kinds of sources. The Bible has passages that forbid the "partaking of blood."

Mike

[DemonSlayerMau]

With Cain that was the point I was trying to make...unless Hebrew vampire folklore didn't say vampires were undead, there's no way Cain could've been the first vampire if he had children. I'll have to do more research on it.
You are right that every culture has it's own vampire folklore however. But, I don't believe all folklore said vampires were undead.
The vampires in my stories aren't undead, but they are still susceptable to sunlight. This is because becoming a vampire means you no longer possess melanin in your skin, and your essentially a "super" albino, that means they don't have the protection from UV rays that we have and are immediately susceptable to the harmful UV rays. Only coming out at night are they safe. In some of my stories it's still a curse, in others it's a virus. However, vampires can have biological children, and will only "change" a human they deem worthy, since most humans to them are just sources of food, and perhaps torment.
Anyway, I agree with you in any case regarding Cain. But I don't think Lilith was his wife. I think Lilith was just an imaginary character to explain Sids and to oppress women into submission.

[Pumpkin_Man]

I don't know that all cultures vampire lor depicts vampires of being dead, but the ones that I am most familiar with do so. As for Cain being the first, your point is well taken. I don't really know how he was given the title of "first vampire" in Hebrew lor or any other lor for that matter.

Just for the sake of clarification, I do not actualy believe in the existance of any kind of vampire, dead, alive or "undead." I know there's a group of people who call themselvs vampires, drink blood and even have nad their canine teeth sharpened to fangs, but there's nothing "supernatural" or "preternatureal" about these individuals.

Mike